Nor does it prove Gardiners speculation that the name had been ground 1st Class Steward Edward Wheelton did met Thomas Andrews on B Deck after assisting with lifeboat No. Stick to the path. However these differences are easily explained as Titanic was a work in progress and had many additions and alterations prior to her maiden voyage. 5. Quite clearly the B-deck forward starboard windows are narrow - matching the wreck exactly. On Olympic the fireplace was at the outer wall between two windows. Steve Hall and Bruce Beveridge investigated this account in their book - Lawrence Beesley "the forward deck was covered with ice that had tumbled over" ("The Loss of the SS Titanic"). As in the previous points, we know that damage to the Olympic did not include a 'warped keel'. 30. is unfair and disingenuous at best. It was also carrying no passengers, at a time when due to the coal strike and so many ships confined to port there would be plenty of people eager to pay above the cost in cash to get to Boston. Against the forward steel wall, the faux marble fireplace with its bronze details seems in perfect condition." There is not one occasion in which he Hall and Beveridge note in regard to this photograph that although "the overlapped doubler is hidden behind the stowed anchor, Has Cameron in fact admitted that Titanic is actually Olympic? This claim is often mentioned alongside the above claim about the apparent discrepancy in the number of portholes on Titanic's port side bow. Passengers said there were promenades instead of cabins, 32. It is a wild claim based purely on imagination. It is quite possible that those who "remember" Ballard giving a presentation in which he said he saw evidence it was the Olypmic are actually just remembering the documentary entitled "Titanic - The Shocking Truth" which contained fake imagery falsely purported to be evidence of a switch filmed by Ballard. Seacocks opened to hasten the sinking Olympic's wheelhouse in 1912 was curved at the front (left diagram) while Titanic's was straight. - Able Bodied Seaman Joseph Scarrott "there was a large quantity of ice and snow on the starboard side of the foredeck Goodwin Antiques 295 $361.88 345.06 Silver Enamelled Bracelet Recess Antiques 50.00 $61.34 58.49 Silver Blade Fruit Knife . https://www.britannica.com/biography/James-Fenton, The Poetry Archive - Biography of James Fenton, Poetry Foundation - Biography of James Fenton. old ordinary seaman aboard Titanic. This claim seems to originate from a quote from Baker Charles Burgess printed in Walter Lord's "A Night to Remember" who stated: "Like the Olympic, yes, but so much more elaborate. Fenton was born to an Anglican priest and his wife, who died when Fenton was 10. Let us know if you have suggestions to improve this article (requires login). In discussing the claim that "Olympic was fitted with Titanics starboard propeller shaft" Mark Chirnside summarises: "There is no evidence that Harland & Wolff ever used one of Titanics propellers, or propeller blades, on Olympic; there is every reason to believe that they would have had a spare Olympic propeller in any case.". Deck plans However, this is not unusual, even for modern ships, and can be due to several factors. To use this as evidence that it was actually the Olympic is certainly jumping to an extreme conclusion, especially with such a lack of supporting evidence. The hearings following the Olympic/Hawke collision included a damage assessment of the Olympic which was agreed upon by both White Star and the Royal Navy, and stated that the Hawkes bow had penetrated eight feet into Olympics hull. The ship photographed departing Southampton has 16 bow portholes. Visit Fenton's special Poetry Archive webpage and listen to recordings of him reading the poems 'Wind', 'Blood and Lead', 'Jerusalem', and 'In Paris with You'. The fact that Titanic left Belfast and then Southampton in something of a hurry, with none of the fanfare of the Olympic, just one day of sea trials, no stop in Liverpool, and no opening to the public in either Belfast or Southampton, should not come as surprise at all. Some drowned, some were probably killed below decks and there is speculation that an officer may have committed suicide. This image allegedly shows 'hull plating from the wreck showing white and light grey paint showing through the black top coat'. LET'S SEE THE "EXPERTS" DEBUNK THIS ONE." Well it first must be noted that compared to the 45,000) in the last eight years. The swap was purely to keep the company in business. exploded and caused the fatal damage. Titanic or Olympic: Which Ship Sank? Firstly, the coal strike actually finished 9 days earlier on April 6, so normal traffic would have soon resumed. However, 1,000 tons of alterations were made resulting in a final tonnage of 46,328. What they seem to miss is that this is clearly a fake, computer generated image, as it doesn't match any other footage ever shot of the wreck let alone the bow section. Ballard has subsequently written several books including "The Discovery of the Titanic" (1987), "Exploring the Titanic" (1988) until the most recent "Into the Deep - A Memoir From the Man Who Found Titanic"(2021) which all prove that he thought it was Titanic when he discovered her in 1985 and still believes it to be Titanic in 2021. Act explaining that if they told of the real reason for the sinking, or the Again no mention here that lifeboats were seen from B Deck. Researchers Bill Sauder and Parks Stephenson have come to the conclusion that in fact the dining room was not carpeted. You can also purchase an audio CD of Fenton reading 18 of his best poems (12.99) There is no evidence the insurance was increased - let alone by more than double its value, which would immediately raise suspicion. The claim that Olympic got them is absurd. Updates? Author Steve Hall admits it could be the Olympic The most telling aspect of this either unintentional -or possibly intentional- forgery, is the desperate need to do it. previously published on the 'switch' theory -no doubt due to the release of the book "The Riddle of the Titanic" in 1996. - Yes. Claim: When James Cameron sent a robot in to Ismay's room it filmed a veined marble surround on the fireplace that exactly matches that shown in a photograph of the corresponding stateroom aboard Olympic, taken in 1911. His winning sonnet sequence was later published with the assistance of his professor, poet John Fuller, as Our Western Furniture (1968) and was broadcast on the BBC. ", Olympic (left) and Titanic during construction at Harland & Wolff, Belfast. According to a Mirror article about Southampton entitled "The City That Lost a Generation to the Titanic Disaster" (March 24, 2012) "17,000 men were without work that April" due to the coal strike. The evidence Gardiner and others use to promote the idea of the Californian being a 'rescue ship' is that firstly, it was owned by J.P. Morgan (a "major figure at White Star"), left London in a hurry (as it could only do 12 knots and had to get there first) and was mysteriously sailing during a coal strike (when coal would have been more expensive) . But most critically, there is no photographic evidence or -most noticeably- testimony from Dr Robert Ballard regarding this suspect "longitudinal bulkhead." This is a classic example of a 'meme' using demonstrably false information or incorrect images to promote the 'switch' theory, as it can be very easily disproved when looking at documented photographs. "cargo of a few thousand woolly jumpers and blankets." This is where it landed, just on that forewell deck. Ballard has written several books between 1987 - 2021 and all state in no uncertain terms that he discovered the Titanic - not the Olympic. 12. It must be noted that the Official Secrets Act of 1911 was specifically concerned with espionage that would benefit enemy military use. Claim: The surviving crew were detained overnight and forced to sign a pledge under the 'Official Secrets Act', promising to keep secret forever, the actual events of the night of 14th / 15th April, 1912. When questioned about the 'switch' theory at the Belfast Titanic museum Q&A in 2014, the man who discovered the wreck of the Titanic, Dr Robert Ballard, answers: "I think it is the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean.". On the Olympic I am speaking of? 14. and loss account for the year to December 31 st 1911 was in surplus by 1,102,756 When or where did he ever say he discovered this? These above images are used by conspiracy theorists alleging a difference in the length of Titanic name's hinting at a cover-up. 10. As it is a montage that was artificially created they could have quite easily ensured that this area was not accurately shown.? All the Wrong Places: Adrift in the Politics of the Pacific Rim (1988) was an account of his journalistic experiences. In fact what evidence suggests there could possibly be ice on Titanic's rigging? Titanic split at the same point where the Hawke hit. They were also not on the gunwhales but on the sides of the lifeboat. The stern wreck image is in fact compiled from thousands of high-resolution images shot during a multi-million dollar, two-month expedition that took place in August and September 2010. Though his verse often treated serious subjects such as political repression and violence, he deployed humour and whimsy with a liberal hand. This misunderstanding may be one of the reasons why this particular 'theory' holds fast despite its obvious answer. The Poetry Archive -- James Fenton is one of the numerous poets featured on this fantastic website. The story goes that after the sinking thirteen lifeboats were recovered, taken to New York, where the name Titanic was sanded off and numbers removed to deter souvenir hunters. And any allegation to the contrary - of an increase - needs evidence, for which at present there is nothing but unverified speculation. Importantly it is highly unlikely that any crew member would have foregone his pay, and no pay was ever claimed by a crewman named James Fenton. of her departure many outlets resorted to using photographs and footage of Olympic, leading to much confusion over the subsequent years. furniture and panelling was better that the Olympic is not accurate; furnishings and paneling aboard Titanic were, with the exception of unique rooms such as the rumours of an insurance scam, they would serve a minimum of 20 years in jail He wrote most of them when. Firstly it must be noted that welding was indeed invented during the 1800s, before the construction of Olympic and Titanic. So in fact rather than proving a 'switch,' exploration of this suite only confirms that it is indeed Titanic that sank. Surviving crew signed the Official Secrets Act, 35. It must be pointed out that after the Titanic disaster, Olympic's wheelhouse was changed to a rectangular configuration, one of many improvements made during the 1912/13 refit. Of course there is none. her full speed if the weather cooperated. Another key component of the 'switch' theory is to state that damage to HMS Hawke was much more substantial. There he won the Newdigate Prize for Poetry, a contest wherein students wrote poetry on a set topic, in this case the opening of trade and diplomatic relations between Japan and the United States in 185354. It is likely connected with the false claim that the name Olympic was allegedly filmed by Dr. Ballard during his 1986 dive to the wreck -proven to be false in point no.38 here. Does it reveal evidence of suspicious or unusual damage? Claim: As welding had not yet been invented, it was customary for White Star Line to etch or cut the names of their liners into the steel and not rivet them to the outside. If there was enough sufficient evidence to prove the wreck is in fact the Olympic why would you need to fake something such as this? So technically Titanic did not "weigh" 46,328 tons - that was her gross tonnage (GT) or volume. Claim: The forged "Titanic" letters have rusted off and reveal a "MP" - part of the word Olympic that was actually engraved or embossed into the original metal panel of the ship. the game. Firstly, a Harland & Wolff photograph of Olympic, taken when the vessel was in the Thompson Graving Dock in 1911, which shows her to have had a 'vertical joint in her hull plating immediately forward of the port side anchor hawse pipe'. RMS Olympic after the collision with HMS Hawke. 36. . If a number of people had cancelled because of some sort of fear of a switch or insurance scam going on, it seems very likely that they would have spoken out after the disaster. from the wreck was actually the crows nest (or lookout) bell, and he states: on It would have been a press scoop. In regard to J.P. Morgan cancelling "at the last minute," research by Mark Baber and posted on Encyclopedia Titanica actually reveals it to be an urban myth. aware she never exceeded 75 revolutions. were not without further incidents either, as she was involved in several more collisions including with the Nantucket Lightship LV-117, causing the lightship to break apart and sink with seven fatalities out of Nantucket's crew of eleven. 19345. Olympic survived too long for a badly damaged ship 4. It was written in response to an article Two libretti and an oratorio were published as The Love Bomb (2003). Or they have perhaps mistaken the front of the officer's quarters as the wheelhouse, which it is not. their attention to it, and they all watched it disappear, but had then at once resumed The Titanic was carefully inspected nearly every day during her construction and again after arriving in Southampton. Sorry, no evidence of conspiracy here, just a touched up photograph. Claim: An old sailor of the Titanic, Paddy the pig, revealed shortly before his death that the Titanic was switched with its sistership, the Olympic. Although Fenton is absent from all the available crew lists, it doesn't immediately negate his story - the lists are not infallible, and we all saw how Leonardo Di- er, Jack Dawson blagged his . First and foremost is that the Californian would be a ridiculous choice as a rescue vessel. 4. But also there would be no need to. But most tellingly, there is not one eyewitness account of ever seeing ice on the rigging. And as Titanic author Bruce Beveridge points out, the very reason it has a specific build number on it was due to the fact that the propellers were not interchangeable, due to the specific pitch of the blades designed for each ship. He was predeceased by his brother Johnsey (Betty deceased, Shirley) & sister Carrie (Ray deceased). 3rd-class: 2,250. And so we have established that the Olympic's wheelhouse was indeed curved. Any discolouration could be explained as due to lighting conditions and/or photographic imperfections. 11 [American Inquiry, Day 7]. To the untrained eye, the exterior differences between the two ships were minor anyway, so would have been deemed an unnecessary amount of extra work that would likely benefit very few. Where rust and marine life have flaked the top layers of paint from the hull of the wreck discovered by Dr Ballard patches of what appear to be white paint are exposed. PRODUCED BY AIVL, WHOI It clearly occurred in a different part of the ship than where the Titanic split. This should not be surprising as the wheelhouse was built during the fitting out stage and so did not exist during the launch. As for the White Star Line itself, it was the 2. The reality is that the Californian's cargo manifest does not exist. performance on her maiden voyage, and as the speed increased, Titanic was well placed to exceed her sisters average speed.". To confirm this Parks Stephenson visited B-52 with James Cameron on a later mission in 2001 and described the room as still retaining "several of its fittings. and impacted on the larger open spaces dictated by a ship aiming for luxury, instead of being a watertight battleship. ', When questioned about the 'switch' theory at the Belfast Titanic museum Q&A in 2014, the man who discovered the wreck of the Titanic, Dr Robert Ballard answers: "I think it is the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean. The crossing from Belfast to Southampton was a short crossing, while the North Atlantic route (Southampton to New York) was much longer. Why would it be there? It is true that there was a coal strike and this had serious repercussions for the shipping and maritime industries. 16. The Britannic, when launched, had 16 portholes, consistent with the later port side configuration of the Titanic and the Olympic. 46. 15 $18.4 17.55 Silver Cricket Fob Recess Antiques 85.00 $104.27 99.42 Silver & M,O,P Fruit Knife.Sheff.1910 By J.Fenton. If indeed Titanic had been insured at the last minute at "$12.5 million," as is alleged by conspiracy theorists, would this not have raised serious alarm bells in the minds of the insurers at the time, especially if it was part of the public record that the value was "$7.5million"? Two major watertight compartments were flooded, her hull plating was gashed, the starboard propeller shafting damaged. She worked up to 80. Once it was launched then it was 'fitted out' i.e. Olympic was recorded as having a tonnage of 45,324 (1911-1912) while the Titanic was recorded as 46,328 - a difference of 1004 gross tons. After returning to England in 1976, he reported on British politics for the New Statesman. His English translation of Giuseppe Verdis Rigoletto was staged by the English National Opera in 1982. Proportionally less than Titanic!" Ever since "Titanic" came out 25 years ago, a debate has arisen about a pivotal scene toward the end that has become almost as iconic as the film itself. The claim that he repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic seems to be without founding. Captain Smith and Olympic's senior officers stand in the bridge area with the curved wheelhouse clearly behind them, left of picture. In fact his comment was made at least 30 years after the disaster (he was 20 while aboard Titanic), so could well have been an exaggeration. And if you compare actual photographs of Titanic's starboard side to images of the wreck you will see it matches completely: A direct comparison reveals that the B-deck windows on Titanic and wreck match precisely, revealing the 'meme' to be false. This was the result of a difference in the coal consumption and the emptied coal bunker aft of BR 6 and forward of BR 5The coal bunker was on the starboard side which was emptied. (Click to enlarge). But you do not need any imagination when you view a rather conclusive image that reveals that the 'patchwork' on the wreck does not match the location of the actual damage on the Olympic: Photograph of RMS Olympic showing the location of the damage. Baber compiled a list of Morgan's returns from Europe from 1904 to 1912 and "only twice (1908 and 1910) in those years did he return to New York from Europe before July, and in one of those years (1908) he returned that early only to attend a family wedding, heading back to Europe a few days later and staying there until late August." But perhaps more importantly, the Carpathia was at least 50 miles away from the Titanic when it sank and did not respond until hearing the distress messages. The branches creak and the shadows leap. The Government man read the crew the Official Secrets of her 24 double-ended boilers connected up." It is pure speculation about a 'switch' that did not happen. there is no proof that a man of that name was ever aboard Titanic; his name is not on any of the crew lists or among any of the survivor lists . 'Titanic of the skies': The story of London's ill-fated luxury airship service to Melbourne. When the In fact, White Stars profit The warped keel apparently gave the Olympic a permanent a 2 degree list to port and the ship builders stated that it could not be corrected without rebuilding half of the ship. Though most of his work was ultimately discarded, Fenton was nonetheless contracted to receive somewhat less than 1 percent of royalties, which, because of the overwhelming international success of the musical, amounted to a substantial sum that made him independently wealthy. and to be able to compare our video with a period photograph of the time and look at the veining in the marble and realise it is the same thing, it was like a fingerprint. the committee, announcing that he will be in Venice on April 23 for the inauguration of the biennial International Art Exhibition, April 25, and dedicate the new Campanile of St. The special effects of the . Claim: Titanic split at the same point where the Hawke hit, revealing that it was in fact the Olympic. 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